Day 278 - 11 Jul 96 - Page 03

     
     1        A.  I have actually got one so--
     2
     3   Q.   All right.  Well, that is fine, use your own.  The third
     4        passage I would like you to look at is on the first inside
     5        page under the main heading "What is the connection between
     6        McDonald's and starvation in the Third World?"  Then, under
     7        "Hungry for Dollars", one sees this, "McDonald's is one of
     8        several giant corporations with investments in vast tracts
     9        of land in poor countries sold to them by the dollar hungry
    10        rulers, often military and privileged elites, evicting the
    11        small farmers that live there growing food for their own
    12        people."  There is nothing in any of the material which you
    13        had read which supports that is there?
    14        A.  Well, yes, I would say there is.
    15
    16   Q.   What is that?
    17        A.  McDonald's does have investments in vast tracts of
    18        lands in poor countries.  It has interests in the cattle
    19        that are raised there.
    20
    Q.   What, sold to them by the rulers?
    22        A.  The investments, yes.
    23
    24   Q.   I see.  Right.  Then we will go over to the next, the
    25        middle page under the heading "Why is it wrong for
    26        McDonald's to destroy rainforests?"  And then we come to
    27        "Pet food and environment/index.html">litter.  McDonald's and Burger King are two
    28        of the many US corporations using lethal poisons to destroy
    29        vast areas of central American rainforest to create grazing
    30        pastures for cattle to be sent back to the States as
    31        burgers and pet food and to provide fast food packaging
    32        materials." There is nothing in any of the material which
    33        you rely on which supports that statement is there?
    34        A.  I have read quite a number of things about McDonald's
    35        involvement in ex-rainforest beef.  I have also read things
    36        about fast food packaging materials.  I believe that was
    37        true.
    38
    39   Q.   Could I ask you please to--?
    40        A.  I am not pretending to be an expert in the subject.  I
         go on, what about is reported by other organisations, what
    42        is reported by respected scientists or environmentalists,
    43        or whatever.
    44
    45   Q.   Can I just--
    46        A.  I have read, as I said before, there is nothing in this
    47        leaflet that I had not seen virtually the same thing
    48        printed elsewhere.  Obviously, the wording would be
    49        slightly different but there is nothing in the leaflet
    50        which was new.
    51
    52   Q.   Would you like to take a look at "Hoof Prints on the
    53        Forest"?
    54        A.  If you want me to.
    55
    56   Q.   Yes, please.  It is in your kingfisher file, your first set
    57        of discovery at--
    58
    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Mr. Rampton, I am sorry to interrupt.  I
    60        would like to ask one thing about the land before you carry