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1 elaborating it, really not so much for my purposes, because
2 I am getting down what you are saying, but so you can hop
3 through it more quickly and allow yourself more time in
4 respect of other matters, then I think you ought to think
5 about it.
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7 MR. MORRIS: Yes. I mean, the problem is, first of all....
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9 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Since Mr. Rampton has said he is not going to
10 hand out his submissions until he stands up, you do not
11 have to do it well in advance. You can do it, you know, a
12 couple of pages at a time or the next day, at the beginning
13 of the day. You do not have to make a decision now, but
14 you might think about it.
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16 MR. MORRIS: Yes. The problem is it is not so much of
17 elaboration as it is not all accurate, and what happened
18 was that I asked somebody, a volunteer, to go through some
19 transcripts on my behalf but, you know, they obviously did
20 not have necessarily a grasp of the issues. Well, it is
21 impossible for them to have a grasp of the issues. So it
22 is a bit kind of chaotic really. I am having to kind of
23 sift through it as I am on my feet.
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25 MR. JUSTICE BELL: There you are. As I have said, if it puts
26 you in difficulty or you are uneasy about it, that is the
27 end of the matter.
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29 MR. MORRIS: Right.
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31 MR. JUSTICE BELL: But you have a lot of other subjects to come
32 and Miss Steel is going to deal with some of them, and just
33 bear what I have said in mind.
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35 MR. MORRIS: Yes. I mean, if there is anything which I feel
36 I can hand over, then I certainly will try to do so.
37 Also, of course, I have my notes written all over them.
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39 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes. If you cannot give me a clean copy,
40 that is another problem. There we are, carry on.
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42 MR. MORRIS: I have to make a decision now about what to start
43 with.
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45 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Remember also what I said, it is valuable if
46 you give me references like the one you have just told me
47 about Mr. Beavers, which I will read the references you
48 have given me. But remember what I said, that you can take
49 some matters as headlines. In fact, you are probably going
50 to have to when you get to large topics like nutrition and
51 employment, and just enough to say 'What we say about this
52 is, particularly bear in mind this article or that witness
53 on this topic'. What one does not have to do, and indeed
54 if one did it the speeches would take almost as long as the
55 evidence, is go over everything in any detail.
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57 MR. MORRIS: Yes. In fact, I was not intending to, certainly
58 with employment; it would be an impossible task, anyway,
59 and even on this topic I am not intending to go into detail
60 beyond headlines for Costa Rica and Brazil in any case,
