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Auctions and the ST
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Computer Auctions seem to be proliferating every where.
There are two in this area on the same Sunday every fortnight which takes
care of a couple of hours each time with a nice cross country jaunt in
between.
Are they worth attending?
Well like all auctions and sales you don't know until you get there!
A similar format is followed at each ,so for those of us who have yet to
sample the delights I will enlighten. One is held in a former GEC
factory, the other in a local school.
The items are displayed and fully described with a printed label.
Where appropriate systems are shown working.
A catalogue is available usually for a quid, but is not required because
the gear is on view,and labelled, unless you intend to bid.
If you intend to bid for juicy morsel then you must register.
You will then need a catalogue and be prepared to deposit a sum usually
£25.(Hey wait a minute hand over dosh before you start! Don't worry - this
is to stop jokers bidding, securing a sale and then changing their mind
and leaving, thus leaving the kit unsold and disappointed punters- If you
do not buy that day you get your money back- no hassle).
From then on a normal bidding routine follows- great fun!
So what is on offer?- IN THE MAIN CLAPPED OUT JUNK.
SO BE WARNED.
Having said that, there are some useful items for Atartians to be had and
very often a lot more to wonder about.
Have I purchased anything? Yes a Seagate 43 meg hardrive complete with
controller board for £15 Yes! that's right Fifteen quid.
Does it work? Don't know yet, Bruce Son of Ron is checking it out, if it
does then I will need to obtain the necessary interfacing and make or get
made a case- or it could be a very nice door stop!
At a recent on held at the GEC factory there were several 386 PC on offer
that sold for £200 or so another shown working with a 19" colour monitor
and described with a non working on/off switch went for £275.
Amongst the burned terminal monitors with screen burn so bad you can read
what had been going on , worn out printers, and laser printers of unknown
vintage, there usually lurks a tasty item.
Problem is spotting it. If you PC experts among STEN compilers and
readers could list or advise, perhaps an Auction Goers Guide for Atarians
could be devised. (Dave if this takes off then I would be happy to run
this show - collect the info, produce the lists - what ever).
For instance hand held scanners have been spotted, are they PC specific,
or will they do with appropriate software?
What is a Drawing Tablet? and can an ST use one?
And what about printers? My instinct tells me this is the hardest worked
item in any system and mostly likely to be the most clapped out, an I
right? and need this always be so?
Mice seem to proliferate- and there is PD software available to enable an
MS mouse work with an ST but is it worth it?
Multi-Sync Monitors - How can you tell if one will work with our beloved
ST'S AND WHAT WILL NOT WORK?
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OK, John. You have the job!
Could anyone who has any experience of auctions, hints tips or even prices
bid contact John with the details and he will sort, collate and tabulate
for inclusion in STEN - Dave
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CONTACT:
John Ash
62 Fleet Road
Dartford
Kent DA2 6JF
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QUICK REPORTS ON:
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The Edinburgh 'All Formats Fair' and Traderdesk Computer Auction at
Bothwell.
All Formats Fair
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OK, I know I swore never to attend another one of these jumble sales back
in issue #13, but when tickets were given away free in 'Micro Mart' and
Jake Bain said he was thinking of going and the venue was in one of my
favourite places, Edinburgh, the temptation was too much.
My day started with me underestimating the distance to the station (I was
walking) and having to run the last mile and a half to make my train and
meet a couple of mates from Glasgow. I did make it, but only just.
Arriving out of breath and bright red, much to the hilarity of my mates.
On arriving in Edinburgh we had to dash to the venue to meet Jake at the
appointed time. He was coming out as we went in; 'Hello Jake I won't be a
minute, get you up at the pub'. And I wasn't.
The Fair differed from the Glasgow version in as much as there wasn't
anyone selling boxes of anonymous PCBs at a quit a time. As for the rest
of it? The stallholders were still trying to charge shop prices, no
bargains today Meester Bond. The usual games were for sale costing less
than Virgin, but more than discount mail order. Same went for mice, one of
my mate's paid £20 in a Paisley computer shop for one the week before (and
took some stick for getting himself ripped off) - the same product was on
sale here at £25.
Just about the only item that wasn't being overpriced was discs. Here it
was possible to get HDs between £21 and £30 for fifty. Quality did vary
considerably, and not in proportion to price. So what can I say, if you
get a ticket for nothing and the event is local go along, you may just get
a bargain but don't bet on it. Otherwise stay well clear and buy mail
order, it's cheaper in the long run.
After leaving the 'Fair' I started one of my favourite pastimes... a pub
crawl in Edinburgh. Unfortunately Jake had to go home after a couple. Us?
we went on to greater things. Memorable stops were the Pressie Hall which
had an excellent malt stout and good music. Deacon Brodies Tavern in the
Royal Mile was where we had a good laugh at that grandest of sport: the
old brigade making a complete and utter fool of themselves, this time it
was the 'GRAND NATIONAL'.
TRADERDESK AUCTION
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Up until attending this auction I had only heard of what went on. People
sneezing and 'buying' a chest of drawers, others paying next to nothing
for lost treasures,... Whatever the myth I did believe that they were the
places to pick up bargains. So, armed with a catalogue I duly arrived
early to inspect the lots I was interested in (a PC sound card and a VGA
colour monitor).
There were a few examples of each in the catalogue and after checking the
prices new and taking advice from some veterans I arrived at prices that
I was prepared to bid to.
Not so cheap that someone else would be tempted to over bid and a definite
ceiling where the item became normally priced. The range was somewhere
between half and two thirds the average advertised costs, this included
VAT at 17.5% and the auctioneers selling fee of 5%.
In all there were about 1000 lots ranging from new PC systems to loose STs
and Amigas, mice to music listing paper, cameras to cassettes. Often these
items would be grouped together and the bidding would set the price for
that group.
As I don't have the prices to hand I will only give a few of those that I
can remember (bid for) and the cost that could be expected to be paid if
buying from shops, mail order etc.
First was sound cards: The Orchid Sound Producer Pro sells at £119 from
mainstream shops, they wanted bidding to start at £200 and reduced it to
£130 where it was withdrawn as that was it's reserved price. Remember too
that there is a further 22.5% to be added to the accepted price. Further
items were:
ITEM Bid +22.5% = Total Mail order price (inc VAT)
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HD discs (10s) £6-7 £1.35-1.58 £7.35-8.58 £4.50-5.00
VGA monitor £210 £47.25 £257.25 £199
Rechargeable £5 £1.13 £6.13 £ 4.50 (Argos)
batteries
386 PC £450 £101.25 £551.25 £500 ish
Boxed & £45 £10.13 £55.13 £100 *
bashed ST *
Boxed & £60 £13.50 £63.50 £150 *
bashed Amiga *
40Meg hard drv £40 £9 £49 £40
* Auction goods were not guaranteed to work, in fact they looked as if
they were customer returns. Buying second hand the goods would presumably
be seen working or at least be given some assurance that they were OK.
Some interesting things did emerge though. When items were grouped
together, say 10 mouse mats, you would get half a dozen people bidding
against each other forcing the prices up and then take one each leaving
four unsold. People seemed hell bent on buying something even if it was
rubbish, myself included. I paid £5 for an unboxed Spectrum +3 for my kid.
I knew it was a risk, but others were buying all sorts of incompatible
rubbish.
A guy in front of me had an Amstrad 1640 system unit (the power supply was
in the missing monitor) an incompatible VGA monitor and some 20 Meg hard
discs without controller cards. It only cost him about £120 (+£27), but it
was literally money down the drain.
He would have got home and found nothing matched, maybe decided to buy
some decent hardware to stick the monitor onto and end up paying the cost
of a good system and only having a poor one with some junk left over to
clutter his garage for the next couple of years.
One further point to remember is that there is going to be on gigantic
queue at the end of the auction. The one I was in took about two hours to
get round. When the not so low cost is added to the time wasted queuing it
doesn't seem worth it. I bought a duff +3 and a mouse £10 (+£2.25) plus £1
entrance fee. In all honesty I could have got the same mouse for £14 at
the local shop, a working +3 for a few pounds more and spent my day more
productively.
On the other hand it was an experience, seeing fools throwing away their
money. When I bought my mouse, it was the second last lot and came with a
mat and software. The last lot were unboxed and grubby, the bidding
started at £5 and there were about 15 on offer. Five guys in front of me
panicked when the bid went to £7 and all raised their hands at once. The
bids went £9, £10, £12, £13 and £15 rapid. The auctioneer was not at all
pleased when they tried to wriggle out, but he eventually let them. I
suppose it was just not worth the effort for the sums involved.
I'll be back.
CONCLUSION
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Is it me that's a tight git or is it the system that's trying to rip me
off. When ever I attend computer fairs or auctions I do expect to get a
bargain. By this I mean something costing between 10 and 60% of the new
cost. The actual price does depend on condition, version, quality etc.,
but I don't expect to pay full or inflated prices.
From my experiences this only seems to be happening in Scotland. Could
this be because these events are much rarer than, say, the south east of
England? If so there is only one way to sort it out, simply do not pay the
prices asked. Think what you need and what it costs mail order, if they
cannot beat these prices don't buy. After all, mail order companies do
have an address and telephone number that can be checked out before
buying.
Dave Mooney.
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