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<text id=90TT0563>
<title>
Mar. 05, 1990: Ex, Lies And Videotape
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<history>
TIME--The Weekly Newsmagazine--1990
Mar. 05, 1990 Gossip
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<article>
<source>Time Magazine</source>
<hdr>
NATION, Page 17
Ex, Lies and Videotape
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<body>
<p>Confused by Iran-contra? So is Ronald Reagan
</p>
<p> Sure, said Ronald Reagan, he believed in the Nicaraguan
contras and wanted them to prosper. But he never instructed his
aides to violate a congressional prohibition on giving them
Government aid. He never knew that the profits from secret arms
sales to Iran had been used to arm the anti-Sandinista
guerrillas. His admonition to his staff, he insisted, was
always, "We don't break the law."
</p>
<p> Amiable and avuncular as ever, the former President, now 79,
emerged from retirement to reprise his role as the chief of
state who grasped the big picture but did not bother with the
little one. During eight hours of videotaped testimony in a Los
Angeles courtroom on Feb. 16 and 17 (a 293-page transcript was
released last week), Reagan occasionally bantered with the
Iran-contra special prosecutor and with lawyers for former
National Security Adviser John Poindexter, who faces trial on
five counts of obstructing a congressional investigation and
making false statements to Congress. He gave no sign that he
had resisted being called to testify as a defense witness for
Poindexter.
</p>
<p> But if Poindexter's lawyers had hoped that Reagan's
testimony would help their cause, they must have been
disappointed. They maintain that the former President had given
Poindexter what they both believed were directions that
circumvented the congressional ban on aid to the rebels. Reagan
provided little support for that contention.
</p>
<p> Instead he reverted to his earliest version of his conduct
during the Iran-contra affair, insisting that he knew little
or nothing about many key aspects of the fiasco. He provided
a scrambled account of the origins of secret arms shipments to
Iran that contradicted the testimony of other witnesses and
evidence assembled by various investigations. He asserted, for
example, that the idea had been broached by "a group of
individuals, citizens of Iran," who wanted to lay the
groundwork for better relations with the U.S. after the
Ayatullah Khomeini died. Both the Tower commission and
congressional investigating committees concluded that the deal
had in fact been concocted by Israeli officials working with
Manucher Ghorbanifar, an Iranian businessman with links to
Khomeini's inner circle. The transactions were handled by
National Security Adviser Robert McFarlane, with Reagan's
approval.
</p>
<p> On specific meetings, memos, dates, names, Reagan's mind was
pretty much a blank. General Vessey? "Oh dear, I could ask for
help here. The name I know is very familiar." (It should be:
he was Reagan's Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.) Adolfo
Calero? Reagan could not recall the most famous of the contra
leaders even after he was shown a picture of the two of them
together at a White House gathering. He had somehow missed the
fact that McFarlane pleaded guilty in 1988 to withholding
information from Congress. Shown the section of the Tower
commission report that demonstrates that at least in early 1987
he was able to recall that profits from Iran arms sales were
used to buy weapons for the contras, he professed surprise.
"This is the first time I have ever seen that."
</p>
<p> Even on those matters he could recall, Reagan seemed to
undermine Poindexter's defense. He had "no recollection" of
seeing letters Poindexter sent to Congress in 1986 falsely
certifying that the Administration was complying "with the
spirit and the letter" of the Boland amendment banning military
assistance to the contras. As for siphoning off profits from
the arms sales, Reagan stated, "All I knew was that there was
some money that came from someplace in another account, and
that the appearance was that it might have been a part of the
negotiated sale. And to this day, I don't have any information
or knowledge that...there had been a diversion." Had he
learned of any excess profit, Reagan declared, "I would have
given it back" to Iran.
</p>
<p>By Margaret Carlson. Reported by Jerome Cramer/Washington.
</p>
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